act into the public sphere. that's why bill clinton was impeached. he was not convicted, but impeached. in this case you don't have any real law breaking. >> bill: but you lied if the money was spent running back and forth to argentina, if that were the money-- >> look, he had the primary in the first congressional district in south carolina, it will be up to these folks to determine whether or not-- >> the way it is. >> you're both benevolent tonight and you want to forgive this guy. >> it explains to the people of south carolina. >> bill: the truth of the matter, throughout history almost all of our presidents, all of them, did stuff like this. jefferson, not lincoln, not washington. but fdr. i mean, you name it. warren harding. it's outrageous what he did. >> and the scandals, right, chasing the women and that kind of stuff. >> it wasn't just the women, it was they all did things in their personal lives. i mean, us grant was a drunk, drunk all the time. >> and a great general. >> bill: a great general.